ALTAY Yeni Nesil Tank Projesi

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Alıntı yapılan: UYVAR - 29 Aralık 2013, 09:05:18
Herif kelleyi kurtarmak icin kime yanasacagini sasirdi be!

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Alıntı yapılan: enes8101 - 29 Aralık 2013, 07:56:36
Peki altay tankı kinetik enerjili mühimmat haricinde namsulundan güdümlü füze atabiliyormu?

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Alıntı yapılan: SKYWOLF - 29 Aralık 2013, 12:44:27
Alıntı yapılan: enes8101 - 29 Aralık 2013, 07:56:36
Peki altay tankı kinetik enerjili mühimmat haricinde namsulundan güdümlü füze atabiliyormu?

Hayır!

Evet büyük ihtimalle olacak,hatta bu konuda yerli bir füze çalışması dahi var.Adı sanı duyulmasa da SSM resmi evraklarında geçiyor,aşağıya ekliyorum bakınız.


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Türk tankına Japon motoru
29 Aralık 2013

TÜRKİYE'nin, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries ile ortak geliştirilmesini hedeflediği motor ve şanzımandan oluşan güç grubu, yeni nesil tanklara monte edilecek ve bu tanklar kara kuvvetleri envanterine girecek.

BAÞBAKAN Recep Tayyip Erdoğan'ın 6-8 Ocak tarihleri arasında Japonya'ya gerçekleştireceği ziyarete katılması beklenen Savunma Bakanı İsmet Yılmaz Nikkei gazetesinin sorularını yanıladı.

Yılmaz, "Mitsubishi Heavy Industries ile tank motoru ve şanzımanından oluşan güç grubu geliştiriyoruz ve bu konuda yeni nesil tank 'Altay' projesi için üretim hedefliyoruz" dedi. Nikkei'nin 3 milyon tirajlı sabah baskısında dün yer alan haberde şu ifadelere yer verildi: "Türkiye 'Altay' tankını Güney Kore ile beraber geliştiriyor. 2014-15 yıllarında prototip tankların testlerinin, 2016 yılında teslimatın yapılabilmesi için Türkiye'de üretime başlanacak. Türk hükümeti ilk etapta 250 tankın tedarik edilmesini planlıyor. Japonya ile ortak geliştirilmesi düşünülen ise, bu tanka yerleştirilecek 1500 beygir gücü seviyesindeki motor ve şanzımanın yer aldığı bütünleşik yeni nesil güç grubu sistemi."

Savunma Bakanı İsmet Yılmaz, "Her iki ülkenin fikri mülkiyet ve savunma ekipmanlarının ihracatına yönelik usul ve uygulamaları var. Kawasaki Heavy Industries ve Fuji Heavy Industries ile de ortak helikopter motoru geliştirmekle ilgileniyoruz. Ayrıca, kızıl ötesi sensörler, denizaltı ve tümü elektrik gemilerde kullanılmak üzere yakıt pili sistemlerinin ortak geliştirilmesi konusunda da görüşmeler yapabiliriz" dedi.

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Alıntı YapRoketsan, Turkey's Center of Excellence in Armours

Mr. Hayri Torun, Vice President and Head of OES Group at Roketsan Missiles Inc. informed us about the structure of Operations and Energetic Systems Group, the manufacturing and integration process of the control and missile /propulsion systems, main activities and capabilities of Ballistic Protection Center, process of qualifications for Altay MBT Armoured package and export activities for Defence Turkey readers.

Defence Turkey: Dear Mr. Hayri Torun, first of all I would like to thank you for your time with us. Which studies are you conducting as Roketsan's Operations and Energetic Systems Vice President? Could you inform us briefly?
Roketsan Operations and Energetic Systems (OES) Group performs design and production of warheads and propulsion systems for rocket and missile systems. OES Group provides rocket motor, warhead, pyrotechnic and mechanical systems as well as propellant for the systems developed by Roketsan. Design, development and production of passive and reactive armour systems are performed by Ballistic Protection Center that is also in our group.
Our composite solid propellant production facilities producing the rocket motor propellant are one of the state of art facilities in the world. In addition to our own systems, the development and production of rocket motors for export to European Customers are being carried out in the high technological facility located in Elmadağ. Similarly, the warhead design and production units have the state of art capabilities which are being improved continuously.
Additionally, the production of critical chemical raw materials, shelf life extension studies for the shelf life expired ammunitions, production of missile launchers and control actuation systems are within the other capabilities of OES Group.
Defence Turkey: Mr. Torun you are conducting major studies regarding the missile propulsion systems as the OES group as you have mentioned and you are covering the demands of several missile manufacturers abroad. You are executing projects especially with the Italian MBDA company on design and manufacturing of their Aspide missile motors. What are your current capabilities on the Missile Propulsion Systems? Also could you inform us on the export activities accomplished mainly with Italian MBDA company and other companies as well as the potential projects?
We have considerable amount of knowledge on the design of propulsion systems. We are able to design rocket motors in accordance to the given performance criteria. The verification and qualification testing of the designed motors can be performed as per the international and military standards with the available infrastructure at Roketsan to demonstrate the customer for the compliance of their requirements. We signed a contract with MBDA Italy for the development and production of advanced rocket motor for their Aspide missile in 2009. This rocket motor developed by Roketsan is the first rocket motor ever exported from Turkey to Europe. The design, development and qualification phases of the project have been successfully accomplished and serial production has been launched. Our deliveries within the scope of this serial production are still ongoing. In 2012, we signed another contract for the development of another missile rocket motor with MBDA Italy. The development of this rocket motors is almost completed and serial production will follow. We have project discussions with the world's major companies including USA related to this issue. We expect to sign similar export contracts in near future for the development and production of various propulsion systems with these companies..
Defence Turkey: Roketsan is one of the few manufacturers when it comes to Missile Propulsion Systems in the world, what do you think Roketsan should do to become a leader in this area in the European Market and the world? What are your assessments?
Propulsion system technologies include the technologies for rocket motor and its subsystems which are generating the thrust required for the take off of the missile.
Roketsan conducts propulsion systems design and development activities including solid-propellant rocket motors since its establishment in 1988. Propulsion System Design Unit started to their studies with a single engineer during the establishment has now reached to a level of Turkey's leading propulsion system group and among the major players in the world by the experience and knowledge gained through the successful completion of STINGER and other national/international programs. In addition to the ballistic and mechanical design engineers, a group of experienced experts in charge of the detail calculations, propellant development group dealing with the development of propellant as the energy source of the rocket motors and a chemical synthesis group responsible for the development of chemicals of critical importance are included within the aforementioned team. Roketsan is also capable of developing its own pyrotechnical equipment. In addition to its design and development capabilities Roketsan's manufacturing and testing infrastructure has progressed similarly and the company has become to be able to produce various solid propellant propulsion system.
Roketsan reached to a level that it could compete with the existing propulsion systems development companies in the world. Within the scope of a defined road map, Roketsan performs the technology development studies related to the propulsion systems in order to keep its competitiveness and extends the capabilities furthermore in the future meanwhile strengthening its relations with the universities and other national institutions and associations.
Defence Turkey: The production of control section for Patriot air defence missiles of American Raytheon Company is also performed by the OES Group. Could you inform us about the studies carried out?
Our cooperation with Raytheon started in early 2000 for the manufacturing of some main components of ESSM missile. As a result of our initiatives to extend our cooperation and become a partner, we were awarded by Raytheon for the production of Patriot GEM-T Missile Control Section, one of the major subassembly, for the global market in 2009. The construction of facilities and qualification studies regarding the Patriot control section were completed in 2010 and Roketsan has become the sole source qualified in the world for Patriot Control Section production. Currently, the control section produced by Roketsan is being used in all Patriot missiles around the world. Serial production and delivery phases are still going on. The performance shown on the program has been acknowledged by Raytheon and Roketsan is awarded with Supplier Excellence Award three times in a row for 2010, 2011 and 2012 among their suppliers around five thousand.
Defence Turkey: As Roketsan, you are performing various studies in ballistic protection systems in order to cover the military and civilian requirements of Turkey and you have a dedicated Ballistic Protection Center established. Could you inform us on the main activities realized in this center?
In order to establish local armour system development capability and to develop armour system for Altay main battle tank program, we signed a contract with Undersecretariat for Defence Industry (SSM) in November 2008 and the establishment of Ballistic Protection Center (BKM) was started within the scope of this contract. As of today, the establishment of the center having the latest technological capabilities and infrastructure, has been completed. Contractually, the center is a Government Furnished Equipment (GFE) and belongs to SSM. BKM is in operation now and various ballistic protection system developments are being performed. The center has 6200 m2 closed area. The center has both the composite and reactive armour design, development, test and manufacturing capability as well as indoor and outdoor test laboratories which are equipped with modern devices and equipment. We have around 40 qualified Roketsan personnel currently working at the Ballistic Protection Center. We expect to become Turkey's center of excellence in performing design, development, test and manufacturing of light and heavy armour systems.
Defence Turkey: Considering your vision of becoming Turkey's Center of Excellence in Armours, what are your studies concerning indigenous design capability and manufacturing of Ballistic Protection Technologies at the Center? Could you inform us on your investments and infrastructure studies regarding R&D?
The initial goal of the Ballistic Protection Center was to develop Altay Main Battle Tank Armour System. As you may know, we received technical support from Hyundai Rotem, a South Korean company. We have successfully reached to our initial goal for the development of armour system for Altay tank and completed its qualification recently. One of our objectives as Roketsan is to make the center to be able to develop different ballistic protection solutions and to make a center of excellence facility in armour having the required infrastructure, devices, equipment and qualified personnel. Today, we have a great team consisting around 40 personnel (half of them are engineers) at Roketsan. With the knowledge, experience and capabilities gained from the current programs, we started to develop various ballistic system solutions and new indigenous products like Forced Protection Systems. We have completed verification and qualification testing on the Force Protection Systems and started to deliveries. Thus, we are taking firm steps towards our goal of becoming a center of excellence. We may claim that Ballistic Protection Center is unique in Turkey considering its level of manufacturing, test and personnel capabilities. While assigning this task to Roketsan, the Undersecretariat for Defence Industries (SSM) aimed the Ballistic Protection Center to coordinate all ballistic protection studies in Turkey and become a center of excellence. Within this respect, we carried out a nationwide infrastructural survey available to define which studies have been conducted at our universities, research centers, and industrial institutions and made an inventory. Through establishing the necessary coordination within these capabilities and creating a synergy, we are continuing our studies in order to become a center that could design and manufacture the required ballistic protection systems.
Defence Turkey: Mr. Torun, could you elaborate on the issue you just mentioned? Do you consider that this center should take the role to bridge studies held at research centers, industrial associations and universities so that they could turn into concrete projects? What are your studies concerning this issue?
One of the most important components of the armour system is the material and we have to find the proper material. Certainly, the production of each material was not possible and feasible at the early stages. Every single material used in armour system should be available locally in order to have a 100% local system. Within the scope of the project we have the responsibility for the full acquisition of the technology, therefore we have assigned various universities in Turkey to synthesize and develop the materials. We are in close cooperation and working together with our universities. There are several material development studies currently being carried out. We believe that the outputs of these research studies will bring out materials to be used in many areas of defense industry and contribute to new product developments.
Defence Turkey : In which universities are you conducting these studies?
We are in close cooperation with Middle East Technical University, Anadolu University, Atılım University and others located either in Ankara, İstanbul or other cities. These universities were determined by considering their available infrastructure and capabilities obtained from the survey results. We have signed agreement with them to conduct research projects such as material development to be used in industry and modeling of ballistic behavior of materials. We have preferred the universities having the mature infrastructure until now, but we are open to discuss the opportunities with others as well.
Defence Turkey: How about the testing capabilities in your facilities?
Testing capability is one of the major assets for Ballistic Protection Systems. You cannot verify the ballistic capability unless you perform the proper testing, therefore it is literally vital. Within the scope of the project, we established two testing facilities. We have well equipped outdoor and indoor test capabilities that was not exist in Turkey before. For example, Powder Gun Firing System has been installed in indoor ballistic test center at our facility. It contains powder and gas gun firing systems that would be used in Turkey for the first time. We conduct material characterization and scaled penetrator armour interaction tests in our laboratories. The outdoor armour testing facility is located in Þereflikoçhisar Firing Range near Ankara. We have the capability to define the effects of threats on armour systems with real chemical and kinetic energy ammunitions at this outdoor testing range. In summary, we have both indoor and outdoor testing facilities in use for the testing of light and heavy armour systems. As Roketsan, we have brought new capabilities to our country along with the laboratories equipped with high technology equipment. We have the most advanced and capable outdoor and indoor armour testing area in Turkey.
Defence Turkey: Mr. Torun, will these outdoor and indoor test centers be available for use by domestic and foreign companies operating in military and civilian areas?
These test centers were primarily established for the testing of Altay Main Battle Tank Armour System. It can be utilized by the domestic companies and associations for their testing purposes with the permission of Ministry of National Defense, however it may be early to say anything about its use by foreign companies.
Defence Turkey: Roketsan has the responsibility for design and development of the the armour system of the Altay - Turkish Main Battle Tank. As you already mentioned, South Korean company "Rotem" provided technical support to you in this project. Could you explain the co-operation with Rotem according to the sub-contract agreement? Has there been a technology transfer as a result of this co-operation?
An agreement was signed between Roketsan and the Hyundai Rotem company based in South Korea concerning technical support with the approval of SSM, in order to speed up the development process and save time. This technical support agreement covers the technical support for design studies in Turkey. It did not cover the transfer of technology, so we cannot name it as technology transfer. South Korean experts stayed at Roketsan throughout the program and have been really supportive during the development phase at the Ballistic Protection Center. Along this phase, Rotem supported us in equipment supply, software development, armour design as well as its adoption by the Roketsan personnel. This South Korean company has fulfilled mainly its obligation with the accomplishment of the qualification of the armour system. Currently we are performing our activities mostly independent from Rotem company together with our qualified personnel.
Defence Turkey: The armour system developed by Roketsan within the scope of the Altay Project was qualified successfully after completion of the tests conducted in June and July. Could you inform us on the qualification process and how the related program schedule will proceed?
During the system development phase, at first, system verification is performed with the extensive tests and then the qualification process starts in order to prove that the customer requirements are complied with under the extreme conditions. Armour system qualification was the last step we have finalized through the development process of our armour system. We have been through a testing campaign that lasted for one and a half months starting from the beginning of June until Mid-July 2013. The armour tests have been conducted since the beginning of the development phase to check whether the results are in accordance with the expectations. In this period of 1,5 months, the Armour System of Altay Tank was tested with actual ammunition and real sized structures in order to prove that the system has sufficient protection against all threats defined by Turkish Armed Forces and the Undersecretariat for Defence Industries. In this respect, we proved to our acceptance committee that all threats are suppressed successfully with our armour systems. Ultimately the armour system has shown its capability to have effective protection against all the threats defined. Our efforts for the improvement of the system will proceed.
Defence Turkey: How will the program schedule proceed?
We are continuously working at the center and together with the research institutions for the development of new materials with better properties to replace the ones being used. On the other hand, we started to work with the potential companies for the local production of the materials procured from the outside sources. Armour System for Altay Program has been successfully qualified and ready for serial production. We wait for the serial production contract to start up where we plan to use all appropriate available local sources. We will manufacture a prototype armour system in line with the project schedule and provide this armour system to Otokar who is the main contractor for Altay Tank System Development. Following this stage there will be another test in which the Armour System shall be installed and after the completion of this test our responsibilities regarding the project shall be accomplished.
Defence Turkey: As Roketsan you are manufacturing the indigenous anti-tank ammunition while developing the armour system for Altay Tank. Which advantages do you have being expert on those two areas?
As anti-tank missiles development company, you know the threat clearly, and you should find out how to defeat this threat. The threat is anti-tank warhead and armour is your defeating tool. We have an increasing capability in both areas, therefore the level of quality for both systems increases in parallel to each other. This is similar to software and anti-virus software development, I believe that if you are capable to develop armour systems, you may be able to develop the best solution in determining the type of the warhead or the missile to defeat this armour. This is really a good opportunity for Roketsan, we are developing anti-tank missiles and on the other hand we have the capability for testing the missiles against the armour systems in order to determine on which armour system they are more effective. Thus, in the future we may have to develop more capable armour systems against those anti-tank ammunitions.
In armour design, knowledge about the threat is the most critical information besides from the material information. The expertise we have built in armour-piercing ammunition has been really useful and important in perceiving the interaction between each material in the armour system and the threats. This is again exactly the same point I mentioned above, The case that the best antivirus software could be developed by the experts who know well about the viruses. Roketsan is the only company in the world that develops both anti-tank missiles and armour systems for the tanks. This helps us to follow the latest technological developments in both side and to develop them further.
Defence Turkey: Lastly, what would you like to say to the readers of Defence Turkey?
Turkish Defence Industry's capabilities and products have been enlarged a lot. Roketsan has now a product portfolio including artillery rocket systems, 2.75" laser guided missile CIRIT, long range antitank missile system UMTAS, medium range antitank missile system OMTAS and Stand Off Missile SOM, etc. You sell in case you have the product. I believe that your magazine is a great tool in promoting our products to the world and on the other hand these products being developed in Turkey is a valuable material for your magazine as well. Defence Turkey magazine, undertakes a great role in presenting our defence industry products both in national and international markets, therefore I follow Defence Turkey closely.
Defence Turkey: Thank you very much for your time.

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'Altay'a Japon freni
Türkiye'nin geliştirdiği "Altay" tanklarına motor tedariki konusunda Japonya'yla yürütülen görüşmeler durduruldu.

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Japan, Turkey scrap talks on tank engine supply deal

(Reuters) - Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (7011.T) has lost a potential deal to supply tank engines to Turkey because of restrictions that remain in place on Japan's military exports, officials in Turkey and Japan said.

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